28 Feb 08 17:16, Jeff Smith wrote to Roy Witt:

 JS>>> Hello everybody.
 JS>>> I am curious about a few somethings.
 JS>>> Are there any echos currently in the echolist where there is a
 JS>>> dispute as to who is/should be the moderator or person in charge
 JS>>> of that echo?

 RW>> Thom LaCosta claims to be the moderator of HAM, which isn't, nor has
 RW>> it ever been the case.

 JS>      When did this disagreement actually start? Was it more of a
 JS> you/him thing or were there other factors too?

It was a me thing where I stopped updating any of the echoes I moderate,
out of disgust for the way LaCosta treated people in a biased way. You'll
notice in his reply to you he claims that I never tell the truth. Far from
that accusation, I've never told a lie.

 JS>>> Is there anyone that would object to the current Echolist and
 JS>>> it's current entries?

 RW>> Yes...I do.

 JS>     Based on the above I would assume.

Yes.

 JS>>> Anyone have specific opinions about the need for a new Echolist
 JS>>> or the need for an Echolist at all?

 RW>> Since it no longer conveys truthful information, it is useless.

 JS>     Ok, if the Elist were maintained by someone else whoose attitude
 JS> was to treat everyone equally. And looked at the integrity and
 JS> accuracy of the Elist as their primary goal. Would that change your
 JS> outlook regarding the Elist?

It might. AFAIC, there is no need for an elist. At one time, there was a
need because of people who would go around hi-jacking echoes and then
kicking the moderator out, replacing him/her with themselves (I'm guilty
of that - AUTORACE). Those days are long over, as the hi-jackers have
taken leave of Fidonet.  Then there are the echo collectors, who continue
to list dead echoes, including Thom. Notice the collection of Amateur
Radio related echoes he's made by elisting them as they expire. There are
only two AR dedicated echoes that are still alive and the HAM echo can be
used for discussing anything related to radio. At one time, there were
echoes for every aspect of AR, but there's no need for that today. Yet we
have a bunch of AR related echoes that are as good as dead with LaCosta
listed as the moderator of every one of them.

 JS>  Amoung other things I am trying to see just how much real
 JS> support/desire there is for a new Elist or for an Elist at all.

I tried that a few years ago, but there was a problem area pointed out by
Janis. How do you integrate both lists without having conflicts of
interest?

                R\%/itt



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