From: Dave Guyer 
@Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 13:43:29 -0800
@Sender: semware-owner{at}sawasdi.apana.org.au


Leo, your thought that you want "To be economical for [the] brain, i.e. to
learn as few _sets_ of
keyassignments as possible." is exactly what I was thinking.  But what did
you mean when you said that "I gave away Ctrl-C myself"?  Ctrl-c, x, and v
seem to be at the core of the "windows standard" keystrokes, if
such a thing
as a windows standard exists.

-----Original Message-----
From: leo mulders [mailto:leo{at}esi.nl]
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 12:43 PM
To: tsepro{at}freelists.org
Cc: sammy{at}semware.com
Subject: [TSEPro] Re: Windows vs classic UI?



On Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:08:38 -0500, you wrote:

>>My main question is would I be better off learning the
>>windows UI or stick with the classic UI?  Why?
>
>I'm still straddling the fence.  I switch to the new win.ui
>about once a month or so, but then I switch back to my own
>key assignments.  Here are some so-called standard Windows
>keys that I just cannot use right now - they really mess me
>up:

I decided to go for WIN.UI for the following reasons:
1) To be economical for my brain, i.e. to learn as few _sets_ of
keyassignments as possible. Though a Linux version might be something
else, the fact is that TSE is used surrounded by Windows programs with
more or less standard key assignments. I accepted the cost of
re-ingraining.
2) More importantly: I am always trying to convince other people that
they would benefit enormously by using TSE. An unusal set of key
assignments (yes, configurable, but nobody takes the time when not yet
convinced) seems to be a big problem to many people.
Make it easy on new users!

>crtl-home/end and ctrl-pgup/pgdn are reversed to my liking.
>I've tried, but I just can't get used to it.  It actually
>seems to make sense though.
Yes, they do make sense. Unfortunately, even when using WIN.UI, I
believe that in compressed views and the like I have to use the"wrong"
keys.

>ctrl-z/y Undo/Redo - this one is a real killer.  ctrl-z is
>too ingrained as scrolldown, and ctrl-y is too ingrained as
>delete line.
>
>ctrl-n New File - ctrl-n is too ingrained as Insert Line.
It is worth it to change.

>
>But the jury is still out on ctrl-c/x/v!
If the jury is the mass of potential customers you know the verdict.

P.S. Sammy, you did a nice job in documenting the origins of the
key-mappings in WIN.UI, but there are a few unassigned (question
marks) commands.
=46or me personally, the top three missing ones are WrapPara, GotoColumn
(yes, I gave away Ctrl-C myself) and UnmarkBlock (don't like
Shift-Cursorkey here). Can anybody offer some advice on how to
_systematically_ decide which keys to map?

P.P.S. This -b-3 option is a real gem. I wish I had known that before.
What is the problem in making it official?

P.P.P.S "Super" Case changing will come sometime, I got a very nice
start from Finland, but want to make some refinements. And, luckily, I
am very busy.


Leo

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