-=> Quoting Dennis Haddox to Scott Adams <=-

 
 SA>      a fact of his problems.  As to the board above I don't
 SA>      knwo them personally but I think Mark did so can't
 SA>      comment much beyond that.
 DH> 
 DH> Well now, that explains everything then.

        Since its a merged league he doesn't know my boards
        personally like I do and vice versa.  Just how
        things are running a big league/network.  The
        admin details get boggling.  But then again you'll
        never know cause "no time".
 
 SA>      The above is a bit conflicting at least in 4 spots.
 SA>      First you say could "still be cheating" but we'd not
 SA>      know about it yet then you say those who do don't think
 SA>      we could find out.  First you admit its hard to prove
 SA>      then bottom you say its easy to detect?  Confusion.
 DH> 
 DH> No confusion. If you know what you are doing, it is simple
 DH> but time consuming to not be detected. It is easy to detect
 DH> when a mistake is made. When an inconsistency is seen
 DH> and a pattern is confirmed.

     Said from the armchair but not said behind a LC's screen.   
 
 SA>      I may be wrong and Dev could jump in here but I believe he
 SA>      checked and confirmed the down status a few times.  Beyond
 SA>      that unless we poll their phone line every 10 minutes
 SA>      again difficult to prove or study.
 DH> 
 DH> No, you are wrong, you wouldn't have to do a check but maybe
 DH> every 4 to 6 hours and only when a board is suspected of that
 DH> kind of activity. A check like that , heck I could do it on the
 DH> road using my ppc hooked to a cellphone.

     If you had the cash sure to spend.  if I knew you wanted
     that done whey didn't you donate cash for us to do that
     for our phone bills? We even posted that for folks who
     wanted us to do that send cash.  Gee..no one did.
 
 SA>           Should you unfairly kick a board out for valid
 SA> problems?
 SA>           No.  I definitely disagree with your belief there.
 DH> 
 DH> Why? If they can't get their shit together that game, then it
 DH> would give them time without pressure to get it together 
 DH> next game.

    Yes and no but things happen ALL the time.  Not just
    this reset and that reset.  Stuff happens.
 
 SA>      In the above case its been so long i forget the exact
 SA>      details.
 DH> 
 DH> Yea, it probably did fade from memory quickly since it was
 DH> so much easier for Hoover to just make up lies when we left.

     Since I've not seen any statement as to the actual lie
     made then I guess I can't comment on thin air.  Since its
     just baseless accusations.  Since i talk to him nightly
     and know him well enoguh I tend to repsect his views
     a bit longer than most others.  Until you care to itemize
     things a bit better then we'll move on.
 
 SA>           me the proof.  How? Show me the board is indeed up
 SA> and
 SA>           players are in bre and can login but can't say send
 SA>           mail.  Then we'll deal with that board as a possible
 SA>           cheater.  Till then hard to prove.
 DH> 
 DH> What is the problem? Check their mail server, if it is working
 DH> then it is a problem with the board. If the board is having problems
 DH> and it is disrupting your game, then sit them out of the game and
 DH> they can try again next game. End of problem.

     Challenge: Right now this week.  Test my mail server.  See
     if my irex is working.  Go on.  Do it?  You can't.  For
     one you can't just login to any server or any irex setup
     from your home.  If they ran a Ftp site or email server
     tht's one thing.  But guess what.  Most folks do not.
     Since most folks like in our leagues use one central ftp
     site and email server that's easy to monitor.  But since
     we can't tell if John Doe's ISP is down that day then we
     can't.  But tell me when my isp is down and send me an
     email then I'll know that your above statements can be done.
     With any decent regard.  You'll find its a bit more
     challgening (pardon the pun) than it is. 
 
 SA>      Did you prove a board was fiddling with mail or such?  No.
 SA>      It was simply text in a post.  We couldn't prove it
 SA>      nor could you.
 DH> 
 DH> Why do you wish to be sent duplicate information? The proof
 DH> we had showing this, you already had, you just didn't want to
 DH> look.

     We looked.  Like in MFs case before you we spent almost
     3 weeks.  For your evidence we spent less cause it wasn't
     much to go on.  At least he had things we could research
     and commont on.  He had a few dates and times.
     Among other things.  I must say he was a bit more organized
     just sadly he didn't care to look at the results.  
 
 SA>           captures of such discrepacies?  No.  unfournately not
 SA>           to my knowledge.
 DH> 
 DH> They weren't holding packets.

     Its called 'an example' :)


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