Hi Roy,
On , you wrote me:

 ML>> right, i understand... just for clarification, 180 degrees on the
 ML>> compass is south, 90 is east, etc... also, 10 degrees in elevation is
 ML>> about one fist width when held at arms length... make a fist like you
 ML>> would if you were holding a broom... your thumb is at the top... hold
 ML>> your arm out with the bottom of your fist even with the horizon...
 ML>> the top of your fist is about 10 degrees... now either move your fist
 ML>> up a bit so that bottom is where the top was or put your other fist
 ML>> on top... now the top is about 20 degrees up...

 RW> What time is it at one fist above the horizon?

well... IIRC, each finger is about 15 minutes or so... so one clenched fist
would be about one hour... as for the actual time, that would depend on the
season but in general, four fingers would indicate one hour after sunrise
or one hour before sunset ;)

when i was in the scouts and we were doing this in the western half of the
sky, it meant that it was time to get camp set up... in the morning, doing
it in the east, it meant that it was time to break camp and GTHOOD ;)

 Weep not thou tenderfoot fair,
 Weep not for clocks or pie;
 There is no pastry in the air
 Nor doughnuts in the sky.

Bye bye!
  mark

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