KZ>WU>No...the times that are posted for a particular car in a MAJOR national
KZ>WU>magazine are times that are FASTER than what actually happens.  I
KZ>WU>know for a fact that SEVERAL of their editors work for major car
KZ>WU>manufacturers as well, and so articles as well as times are biased for
KZ>WU>their favor.
KZ>Okay then perhaps you can explain to me why my old car, a 1988 GTA Trans
KZ>Am, which was reported to run the 1/4 mile in 15.4-15.8 seconds...ran
KZ>15.2 the first time I ever ran it, bone stock?
KZ>WU>From your statement, I know...for a FACT that you've never seen these
KZ>WU>cars run quarter mile times SIDE BY SIDE becuase I just saw some of them
KZ>WU>RUN yesterday.  Our team beat an LT1 Vette last night.  The Vette had a
KZ>WU>Borla exhaust, and it was a '95 Model.  The VETTE even gave us a three
KZ>WU>car lead.  Our car smoked that Vette but at LEAST six cars.  ONE CAR
KZ>WU>LENGTH is only .10 of a second...so you're wrong on that information as
KZ>WU>well.
KZ>You are correct, I never have seen a Civic VTEC run anything side by
KZ>side.  That's why I'm questioning your math.  I've seen all of the other
KZ>cars you've mentioned run, and I know what they are capable of despite
KZ>what you believe.  This is the whole point of my messages, to find out
KZ>the truth about how fast a Civic VTEC really is, because the different
KZ>things that you say about it don't match up.  As for you beating a
KZ>Corvette, good for you.  The guy was obviously a moron for giving you
KZ>three car lengths, which makes me question whether he even knew how to
KZ>really get the most out of his car.  If you're gonna give me examples,
KZ>give me a heads up run against another car.  Not any handicapped races
KZ>because then it's harder for me to get the idea of how fast the car is.
KZ>As for how much a car length in the 1/4 mile is worth, I'm not gonna say
KZ>I'm right and you're wrong...because I have no actual proof.  That's why
KZ>I said a car length is ABOUT 3 tenths of a second, but I still believe
KZ>it's a little closer to 3 tenths than it is to 1 tenth.
KZ>WU>Imagine...putting an Integra motor that developed 196 horses at the
KZ>WU>WHEELS inside a 2200lb shell will give you about 11 or 12 horses per
KZ>WU>pound.  Wait...let me guess, you also believe that when the magazines
KZ>WU>claim that a car produces 200hp, you believe that.  Take into account
KZ>WU>that the engine output is approximately 20% different than what comes
KZ>WU>out after friction losses and other factors before that power gets to
KZ>WU>where it's most important - at the wheels.
KZ>Usually when a magazine reports the horsepower figures, it's less than
KZ>it really has.  At least in the case of muscle/sports typed cars.  I
KZ>don't know what the reason behind that is, but I'm sure you're going to
KZ>tell me I'm wrong anyway.  The horsepower figures reported nowadays are
KZ>at the rear wheels, so those friction losses and other factors are
KZ>accounted for.  Back in the 60's/70's they reported the figures for at
KZ>the flywheel.
KZ>WU>pretty fast cars and ALL of them do it without turbos/nitrous.  The fact
KZ>WU>that you even MENTIONED supercharging shows that you are in fact
KZ>WU>ignorant in this discussion.
KZ>I'm not from Puerto Rico, I've never been there, and to be honest, I
KZ>really don't care whether they make their cars fast with natural
KZ>aspiration or forced induction.  How does my mention of supercharging
KZ>show that I'm ignorant in this discussion?  I have a friend with a 1990
KZ>Ford Mustang GT (25th Anniversary) with balls to the walls mods from top
KZ>to bottom...including a Vortech S-Trim blower.  This is the fastest car
KZ>I've ever ridden in and I gaurantee if you rode in it you wouldn't look
KZ>down upon supercharging anymore.
KZ>Now to sum it all up, I'm not trying to get into an arguement with you.
KZ>I just want to know what the real story is because you still have yet to
KZ>enlighten me as to the true speed of this Civic VTEC your "team" races.
KZ>If your "team" is ever in the South Florida area, drop me some E-mail,
KZ>because I'd really like to see the car run with my own eyes.  And I'll
KZ>even run you myself in my 86 Chevy Pick-Up truck.  And if you beat me,
KZ>which I doubt you will, then you can run that Mustang I mentioned
KZ>above...and then maybe you will stop trying to make it out like I don't
KZ>know anything about street/drag racing.
KZ>Take it easy.
KZ>     Kid Z
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KZ>South Florida, Call in to get your local Line!
hardly believe what he claims.  (Maybe a tope fuelr was draggin him down
the track  :)   )
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