RD> MJ> What side would you rather be on? The one that gives all the credit 
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RD> MJ> God or the one that takes some of the credit from God?
RD>The Arminian point of view does not take credit or power away from God, it
RD>simply follows the scripture which shows us that we must take
RD>responsibility for our choices.  It seems to me, as I have often stated,
RD>that the Calvinist way of thinking takes power away from God.  To
RD>Arminians, all men are savable (a scriptural conclusion, as I have shown
RD>repeatedly).  Jesus blood covers all who will let it.  Under Calvinistic
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There is your problem Rob "all who will let it". You Christ has no power
unless you give it to him. The Christ of Scripture said "without me you
can do nothing" yours says "without you I can do nothing". That is a
wheelchair Jesus "no hands but your hands no feet but your feet". That
is a defeated Jesus and one not worthy of worship.
RD>doctrine, the unelect are unsavable, no matter what Jesus did, or what God
RD>tries to do.  This is the "defeated" Jesus, as you put it.  The scripture
RD>shows that God often puts people's fate in their own hand, or even in the
No it does't. God works ALL THINGS AFTER THE COUNCIL OF HIS OWN WILL.
The idea that men are the captain of their souls is a phrase coined by
an atheist.
RD>A "victorious" Jesus is one who gives us a choice, and can save all who
RD>make the right choice.  A "defeated" Jesus is one who wasted his death on
RD>people who were already saved, and cannot do anything for those who are
RD>damned.
No a Jesus who wasted his death is one who died for people who were
already in hell like Ahaz and Jezebel. Did he die for them? If Jesus
died for anyone that perishes then he shed some blood in vain and
that is akin to blasphemy.
No no my friend Jesus SAVES he does not just make men savable if they
will perform some kind of work or fulfill some condition. Jesus SAVES
sinners!!!!!
For the cause of God and truth.....
                                    Mick James S.S.
                                An Ambassador for Christ
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