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to: CHARLIE RAY
from: ROBBY DITTMANN
date: 1998-04-29 15:54:00
subject: Free Will 2

 CR> God had already decided to do exactly what He did and 
 CR> knew exactly what He was going to do.  The whole incident was for  CR> 
Abraham's benefit, not God's. 
That's not what the Isaac stories says.  God specifically states "now I 
know".  The only possible explanation for that statement is that God did not 
know before.
 CR> The case of Moses is also the same.  God does not 
 CR> literally repent, but for 
 CR> Moses' own peace of mind and to teach the Jews a 
 CR> spiritual and theological 
 CR> lesson the Scriptures portray a change in God's intention.
Then God lied to Moses.  It's that simple.
 CR> True.  Free will did lead to rebellion because the innocence and sinless 
 CR> state of Adam and Eve and even Satan was mutable or changeable.  God 
does 
 CR> not change.  He never sins.
The key part of this passage however is that God says he thought they would 
one thing, but they did another.  God guessed.  Why?  Because he didn't know! 
 And even more, he admits that he guessed WRONG!
 CR> Again, this is a misconception.  People are elected before the 
foundation 
 CR> of the world.  However, they are not saved until the point of their 
 CR> response:
But if the election is irresistable?  Calvin once agains places himself 
neatly in a closed circle.
Robby
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