Hi Bob and Ron,
I must say I am a bit surprised by your reaction and Ron's. Perhaps I
didn't state the situation clearly. Ron writes:
-> Seems only fair; what's more, I'd require mandatory
-> offerings be made to teachers - We could set up a
-> little altar of some kind, and have a slot to receive
-> money.  Fresh food would also be ok....  ;-)
and Bob writes:
-> Oh my... didn't happen to say anything about what recourse parents
-> have when treated uncivilly, rudely or condescendingly by admins and
-> teachers did it?
I suppose I should have been more clear when I wrote:
-> SK>Parents who shout and become uncivil will be asked to leave
-> SK>campus. If they do not comply, the police will be called and
-> SK>they will be charged with a misdemeanor.
I think "uncivil" and "rude" are not properly describing the situation.
I believe it refers more to parents who are really out of control and
abusive.
I know that at our school, the principals (primarily assistant
principals who interact more with the parents than the principal does)
and my department head (who fields hundreds, probably over a thousand
parent phone calls per year) have had some parents become so abusive on
the phone that they've had to say something like, "I'm hanging up now,
because I cannot continue this conversation. Please call back later when
we can discuss this more calmly." I can't imagine a case where a parent
(at least at our school) has had to do the same.
Is it just in Southern California where teachers and administrators are
regularly threatened with legal action and somewhat less often subjected
to such tirades? It's one thing if it's on the phone. At least you can
hang up. (BTW, I personally have never had to hang up on a parent
although I did come close to it once or twice. In fifteen years, I guess
that's not too bad.)
But if the parent is physically present, shouting and calling
obscenities, "in your face" and threatening or physically intimidating
the school employee, the school employee should have some recourse. They
shouldn't have to take that. I believe it is becoming more common for
some parents to behave this way (I KNOW they are in the minority, but
should a school employee have to take that from even one or two
people?), because they feel they will get what they want if they are
threatening or aggressive.
Bob asks what recourse parents have. I think it would be very unusual
for a law or policy to protect two interests. Bob is coming at it, I
believe, from the SPED background that he has, he is thinking of parents
who are not treated fairly or reasonably by the system in obtaining
appropriate services for their child. I thought such parents already had
recourse. And parents have recourse if a teacher treats them
inappropriately. They can refer the matter to the principal. And if the
principal treats them inappropriately, they can refer the matter to the
superintendent. And so on, I would suppose.
I guess it's just the idea that school employees must restrain
themselves when talking to parents, and if the parents become
EXCESSIVELY rude, the employee certainly cannot do likewise (do teachers
behave differently than that in your neck of the woods?), so there needs
to be some policy establishing that the schools don't have to take that
kind of behavior from parents any more.
Perhaps parents are better behaved on your side of the nation? Or,
teachers are just as rude?
Sheila King
Diamond Bar, California
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From: BRIAN WEBB                                            Time: 09:17pm
\/To: WARREN ZATWARNISKI                                  (Read 7 times)
Subj: Fax Problem.....

Warren Zatwarniski wrote in a message to Brian Webb: And I'm replying!
WZ> I could be wrong, but I don't think that's how it works. Your modem
WZ> should be waiting to hear a "beep" from the sending side. It
WZ> probably waits about 2-3 seconds for that tone. If it doesn't hear
WZ> it, then it answers the call as a data call and it's too late to
WZ> turn around and answer as a fax. The same applies going the other
WZ> way.
Well that's it, it's NOT waiting before it starts the data connect tones, it 
answers.. then tones.
I rember this clearly before when it was working it would start with the data 
tones.. then you would hear the "fax" tone and then it would hang up... now 
it dosent do that.
WZ> Some fax machines don't send that CNG tone, and your modem will
WZ> assume it's a data caller, not a fax machine. On those particular
WZ> fax machines, the person sending the fax should press the '5' key
WZ> when they hear the other end pickup the phone. Remember, there's
WZ> about a 2-3 second delay, more than enough time to press the key.
I know... but this machine DID work with my modem Just fine, with out 
pressing any key or anything, and it still works with all the other fax 
machines.
 BW> every think I can think of and still no go.  IMHO it's not giving
 BW> enough time to TRY to conect.  I woudl think that it should be on the
 BW> line longer trying a connect.... 
WZ> When you hear the connect sequence, it's already decided upon fax or
WZ> data.  
Are you shure? because I do rember hearing both comming from my modem Patrick 
maby you can help us here.  When the modem connects should I be hearing the 
fax tones and should it be giving up after so soon?
WZ> Yup. I'd recheck your init strings then. Make sure that you have the
WZ> pipe ('|') character at the end of each line. Also try calling it on
WZ> your voice line, and press the '5' key as soon as your modem picks
WZ> up. See if it tries to negotiate a fax call. If it doesn't, then try
WZ> using the fax software that came with the modem to receive a fax. If
WZ> that won't receive a fax, then you've likely got a problem with your
WZ> modem..... 
I just tryed that(calling and pressing 5) and it does not work.  I pressed it 
once as soon as it picked up, then I called agine and pressed it a few times 
from start to finsh, then I called and pressed it as maby times as i could.. 
same thing each time, abou 2-3 seconds of a few tones, then hang up.
WZ> I can't say for sure. It just sounds like it's having problems
WZ> detecting the difference between fax and data calls. Perhaps if you
WZ> posted your modem setup info? 
Here:
Front door 2.12
Under Command Strings:
Init-1         ATZ|
Init-2         AT+fCR=1;+fDCC=1,3,0,2,0,0,0,0|
Init-3         AT+fAA=1;+fLID="604-726-7740"|
Under Answer Control:
Manual answer Yes
Force answer  ATA|
Answer delay  1
Enable LDFRS  No
I typed ATZ before I did these, no other init string.
AT&V gives:
ACTIVE PROFILE:
B1 E1 L0 M0 N1 Q0 T V1 W2 X4 Y0 %C3 %E0 %G0 -K1 &C1 &D2 &K3 &Q5 &R1 &S0 &X0 
&Y0 S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:050 S08:002 
S09:006 S10:014 S11:040 S12:050 S18:000 S23:063 S25:005 S26:001 S36:007 
S37:000 S38:020 S40:105 S41:131 S44:131 S46:138 S48:007 S91:010 S95:003 
S109:062 S110:005
STORED PROFILE 0:
B1 E1 L0 M0 N1 Q0 T V1 W2 X4 Y0 %C3 %E0 %G0 -K1 &C1 &D2 &K3 &Q5 &R1 &S0 &X0 
S00:000 S02:043 S06:002 S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:040 S12:050 
S18:000 S23:063 S25:005 S26:001 S36:007 S37:000 S40:105 S41:131 S46:138 
S95:003
STORED PROFILE 1:
B1 E1 L0 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W2 X4 Y0 %C3 %E0 %G0 -K1 &C1 &D2 &K3 &Q5 &R1 &S0 &X0 
S00:000 S02:043 S06:002 S07:050 S08:002 S09:006 S10:014 S11:040 S12:050 
S18:000 S23:063 S25:005 S26:001 S36:007 S37:000 S40:105 S41:131 S46:138 
S95:003
AT\S gives:
CMD DESCRIPTION / OPTION   CMD DESCRIPTION / OPTION   CMD DESCRIPTION / 
PTION
--- --------------------   --- --------------------   --- 
-------------------
    DTE BPS........38400   &C  DCD OPTION.........1   )M  
ELLULAR.........OFF
    DTE PARITY.....8NONE   &D  DTR OPTION.........2   S0  RINGS TO 
NS.....000
    DIAL MODE.......TONE   &G  GUARD TONE......NONE   S1  RING 
OUNT.......000
    LINE SPEED......NONE   &K  FLOW CONTROL.....RTS   S2   
CHAR.......043 B   BELL MODE.........ON   &L  NETWORK.........PSTN   S3   
CHAR........013 E   CMD ECHO..........ON   &P  PULSE MODE.........0   S4  
 CHAR........010 F   LINE MODE.......AUTO   &Q  ASYNC/SYNC.........5   S5 
  CHAR........008 L   SPKR VOLUME......OFF   &R  RTS/CTS............1   
S7  CONNECT TIME.....050 M   SPKR CONTROL.......0   &S  DSR OPT............0  
 S8  PAUSE TIME.......002 N   AUTO MODE.........ON   &T  ENABLE RDL.......YES 
  S12 ESC GUARD TIME...050 Q   QUIET............OFF   &X  SYNC 
CLOCK.......INT   S24 SLEEP INACT......000 V   RESULT FORM.....LONG   &Y  
PROFILE........NVM.0   S30 CONNECT INACT....000 W   EC MSG.............2   \A 
 MAX BLK SIZE.....128   S32 XON CHAR.........017 X   EXT RESULTS........4   
\G  REMOTE FLOW......OFF   S33 XOFF CHAR........019 Y   LONG SPACE DISC...NO  
 \K  BRK OPT............5   S36 FALLBACK ACTION..007 %C  COMPRESSION.....BOTH 
  \N  ECL MODE........AUTO   S37 MODE SELECT......000 %E  AUTO 
RETRAIN.....OFF   \W  SPLIT SPEED......OFF   S48 V42 NEG CTRL.....007
-K  EXT. SERVICES......1   *H  NEG. SPEED......HIGH   S95 RES. 
DE........003
OK
No typo's... cut and paste from windows-95!(I like it!)
Anything else you could use?  Thanks alot for taking a look
at this for me!
         SEAU L8r   
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