From: Shadow 

On Fri, 14 Dec 2018 18:45:56 -0600, carl@invalidated.com wrote:

>On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 12:53:41 -0600, carl@invalidated.com wrote:
>
>>Anyone using it?  Would like to know what you think of it.
>>
>>I'm using XP and just about none other AVs work with it anymore.
>>
>>For years I have always paid for my AV programs, but now the price
>>has become unreal, especially if you need protection for 3-5
>>machines.  As for Avast and AVG freebies, don't even mention them to
>>me.
>>
>>Panda freebie according to the comparative tests does have a number
>>of false positives.  Those can be a real pain.  But I need some
>>protection.
>>
>>Kaspersky free AV is nice, but it isn't for XP.  It won't allow me
>>to download Usenet message bodies unless I turn it off. It will
>>download the headers.
>>
>>Any suggestions?
>
>I downloaded their freebie and read their terms of usage.
>
>they want - demand - personal info.
>
>I also especially liked this part -
>
>f. Report to the competent institutions any suspected illicit
>conduct, activity or data of which Panda is aware.
>
>Exactly what is "suspected" illicit conduct, etc., by their
>definition, I don't know.
>
>I don't think I need this commercial spyware crap on my machine.
>
>There's a bunch more of their nonsense requirements below.
>=======
>
>Similarly, for the purpose of contracting and using the program, the
>licensee may have to give PANDA certain personal data. The licensee
>is hereby informed and gives consent to the processing of his/her
>personal data, which is facilitated to PANDA as a consequence of the
>contracting and use of the program, in order to access information
>or services provided by PANDA or to maintain the contractual
>relationship or to send marketing information by any means including
>electronically. PANDA informs the licensee that it will treat such
>personal data in accordance with current applicable legislation and
>as established in its Privacy Policy. The licensee can access the
>Privacy Policy at:
>http://www.pandasecurity.com/enterprise/media/legal-notice/#e10.
>
>f. Report to the competent institutions any suspected illicit
>conduct, activity or data of which Panda is aware.
>
>If you do not consent to providing the mandatory and indispensable
>personal data requested, it will not be possible to fulfill the pre-
>contractual and/or contractual relationship with you, resulting in
>the product provision not being formalized.. In any event, you have
>the right to object to the processing of your personal data for the
>purpose and in the manner set out above.
>
>To enable the Society to send you offers or advertising and
>promotional communications by any means (including email) concerning
>other products or services offered by Panda Security, or to carry
>out other marketing activities such as sending newsletters to
>registered users. In this respect, your expressed consent
>constitutes the legal basis for the processing, should you have
>granted it. If you do not consent to the processing of your personal
>data for the purpose set out above, you will not receive any
>marketing communications from Panda Security.
>
>To retain your personal data in the event that the contractual
>relationship is not formalized, for the purpose of managing future
>requests you may make, and, if appropriate, sending you information
>improving the conditions of an offer you didn't contract. In this
>respect, the Society's legitimate interest in managing and
>satisfying any future requests or queries you may have constitutes
>the legal basis for the processing. In any event, you have the right
>to object to the processing of your personal data if the contractual
>relationship is not formalized.
>
>IV. Data retention period The Society will store your personal data
>for as long as the contractual relationship with you is in force
>and, once it is terminated, for as long as the applicable fiscal,
>economic, civil and criminal regulations are in effect. In addition,
>in the event that the contractual relationship with you is finally
>not formalized, the data retention period will be six years.

	It's a replica of everybody else's TOS, though it's badly
translated from and to English. They specify data retention as 6
years, which is probably local law (Panda is Spanish). In some
countries in Europe and in the US it can be forever.

	Why I don't use a resident AV.

	As to XP, I also use it because it's safer than 7 or 10. Safer
as in Wireshark is absolutely silent when I'm not using the Internet.
(I filter out pings to the router).
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