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From: Mark Hill 
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Subject: Re: Coal miners ask Obama to stop 'absolute lies'
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:01:58 -0600
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On 10/23/2012 12:15 AM, NotMe wrote:
> "Galluping to a new leader"  wrote in message
> news:k62c3f$3eh$1@dont-email.me...
>> On 10/21/2012 7:05 PM, NotMe wrote:
>>> In the end the industy had to concede that the problem was not the EPA
>>> but
>>> that NG was so much cheaper that coal could not compete.
>>
>> The problem _was_ EPA, which is why the regs were thrown out.
>>
>> The solution is natural gas, but Obama doesn't like fracking.
>
> And now long ago the solution was coal and the big hammer was EPA (ne obama)
> rules?

What is (ne obama)?

>> He's going to ruin this nation's energy cost profile:
>>
>>
http://stateimpact.npr.org/pennsylvania/2012/05/04/obamas-newly-proposed-fracki
ng-rules/
>>
>> Obama’s Newly Proposed Fracking Rules Opposed by Both Sides
>>
>>
http://thehill.com/blogs/e2-wire/e2-wire/234577-white-house-gas-fracking-rule-o
n-track-
>>
>> Top Obama energy aide: 'Fracking' rules coming by year's end
>
> The only fracking rules I've seen that had any teeth were those rolled out
> in Texas and the hard reality there was they were false teeth.

http://money.cnn.com/2012/05/04/news/economy/fracking_rules/index.htm

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Obama administration tightened rules on 
hydraulic fracturing Friday, requiring the disclosure of chemicals used 
in the process when done on federal and American Indian lands.

The new rules will also require additional testing of oil and gas well 
construction and require the industry to have a management plan for the 
water used in the process.

"This proposed rule will strengthen the requirements for hydraulic 
fracturing performed on federal and Indian lands in order to build 
public confidence and protect the health of American communities, while 
ensuring continued access to the important resources that make up our 
energy economy," the Interior Department said in a statement.

> I paid for my engineering schooling working in the oil patch and made a good
> living subsequently both inside and out of the industry.
>
> I don't trust the oil or gas industy as far as I  can hand toss a section of
> 24 inch pipe.

Feel free to trust OPEC, they always have had our best interests at 
heart, and they create so many high paying American jobs at home...

We should of course import MORE middle east oil and let many more 
soldiers die to keep that region stable.

> Fracking can work safely but not under the rules we have now nor under the
> rules we will have in the future (the industy controls the legislative
> process both in the various states and in Washington.)

Thank you for enunciating the Democrat  position of killing off American 
energy independence.

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