-=> Lee Lofaso wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

Hello Lee...

 TR>> McGarrity is a good one for that. So's Lewis.

 TR>> They'll spend several packet cycles denouncing anyone who dares
 TR>> to oppose marriage between two same sex sodomites, putting it under
 TR>> the `equal rights' thing and all that.

 TR>> But when they want to inundate someone with the worst, most disgusting
 TR>> insults they can think of....they go right into homo-slams mode!

 TR>> So...for all their most strenuous defense of sodomites, in the end
 TR>> they reveal their knowledge that its a sick disgusting life-style.

 TR>> Hypocrisy at it's finest.

 LL>> An agenda.  Everybody has an agenda.  I have an agenda.  They
 LL>> have an agenda.  Everybody else has an agenda, too.  The difference
 LL>> between me and others is that my agenda is not a hidden agenda.
 LL>> The question is, what is it those with hidden agendas are hiding,
 LL>> or trying to hide?

 BM> I have no agenda.

 LL> No agenda?

 LL> "I aimlessly travel, meaning I have no agenda other than
 LL> to get small in the world, be quiet and observe people."
 LL> - Walton Goggins, actor

 LL> Are you really such a person as the actor portrayed?
 LL> Is it even possible for any such fictional person to be
 LL> an actual person?  I think not.

I have no agenda on what Richardson speaks of. He's more prone to having an
agenda, or shall I say, vendetta against those he feels do not live up to his
standards, as tunnel-visioned as they are.

 LL> Man is, by his very nature, a political and a social
 LL> creature.  He is a participant, not a mere spectator,
 LL> in this world.  How he participates is up to him.
 LL> But participate he must, if he is to be alive at all.

Oh I agree, thus my statement as to IF he was, I'd not have an objection. 


 BM> What Richarson failed to comprehend is I had no issue with him being gay
 LL> if
 BM> he was.  I stated it was his choice and his alone.

 LL> Nature or nurture?  Does man (or woman) have an actual
 LL> choice as to their own sexual orientation?   Is it
 LL> something forced upon them by the accident of their
 LL> birth?  Some, like Lady Gaga, would say yes, such
 LL> people are "born that way".  Others believe it is a
 LL> free choice, including one that can be changed if
 LL> one so desires.

Did members of the Lesbian and gay community feel as if they had a choice
during the HIV times?  I'm sure a disease would settle that arguement IF they
consiously changed their sexual preference if confronted with death.  I can't
say for sure, but yes, there were probably some who did. According to today's
statistics, not many.

 BM> His agenda is to take other's words, twist them to meet his
 BM> narrow-mindedness so he feels superior.

 LL> What did Jesus say in regards to those who are gay
 LL> and lesbian?  I remember a particular story about a
 LL> woman who was about to be stoned by an angry mob.
 LL> Supposedly for having committed adultery.  After
 LL> saving the woman from her fate, Jesus asked her
 LL> who she was with.  Ahd do you know what she told
 LL> him?  "With no man."  Jesus did not condemn her.
 LL> He did tell her not to do it again.  But what
 LL> that "it" happened to be is not recorded in the
 LL> gospel (flipping the bird at an angry mob only
 LL> makes an angry mob more angry ...).


Jesus said nothing about lesbian and gays. Yes, he did speak of adultry but
what has that have to do with it? Are you insinuating because she said /no man/
she was talking about another woman? Quite a leap of faith on your part. Now,
if she said with no man OR woman, you'd have traction.

The part I find rather amusing is homosexuality was around and flourishing with
the Greeks and Romans, ancient China, within the ancient tribes of Latin
America... and so on.  Species of animals consider it normal behavior, well
before man.

Studies up the wazzoo have been performed to find this out. Now, Richardson
would say these studies were inconclusive because they were tax-payer funded
and were a total waste of money, as if he's the sole supporter of the federal,
state and local budgets. 

Whether people want to admit it or not, at one time in each family there was
someone that was gay. Some families may have swept it under the rug,
(Richardson's come to mind) and others embraced those showing love and
understanding. Now, being your brought it up, what was Jesus' prime message? 

 BM> I've coined it the "Don Quixote Syndrome". He stated
above I am good for
 BM> that. Good for what?

 LL> That depends on your agenda.  :)

Told you, have none other than acceptance.

 BM> In that I believe each person should
 BM> live their life as they see fit as long as it's not hurting another?

 LL> That would be an agenda.  Imposing your own view(s)

Now that's the most insane thing you've ever said. I am imposing my views on
myself. Taking Jesus' prime message of Love rather than hurting someone. Are
you now saying Jesus' message to "Not do it again" wasn't an agenda on his
part?  

 LL> on that of another.  Does the USA (or any other country)
 LL> have the right to act as the world's policeman?  Even
 LL> with the best of intentions?  Why, or why not?

No need for politics in this discussion....

 BM> Last I saw that was Constitutionally proected.

 LL> Better re-read that document again.  For example,
 LL> slavery still continues to exist, as any prisoner
 LL> being incarcerated can attest.

Because something still exists doesn't mean the Constitution doesn't guarantee
those rights. Those who are enslaving others should be the ones incarcerated. 
When was the last time you saw a 4 year old sitting in a jail cell? The idea of
incarceration, which the US has taken to an alltime high, is to limit the
freedoms of those who fail to allow others their rights.  Remember this...

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish JUSTICE, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,
promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves
and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United
States of America.

jus+tice
'j?st?s/
noun
1.
just behavior or treatment.
"a concern for justice, peace, and genuine RESPECT for people"

synonyms:.fairness, justness, fair play, fair-mindedness, equity,
evenhandedness, impartiality, objectivity, neutrality, disinterestedness,
honesty, righteousness, morals, morality.


 BM> If Richardson feels as if he is being so injured over the lifestyle of
 BM> another, he can always do what he preaches, ext.

 LL> The Constitution does protect the separation of
 LL> church and state.  In regards to same sex marriage,
 LL> the state has no authority to impose its own rules
 LL> on that of a religious institution.  Except for
 LL> Mormons.  The only religion the state said that
 LL> men had to limit themselves to one wife.

Who said they have? The SCOTUS said /civil/ same-sex marriages. This ruling
does not mandate churches marry anyone they choose not to marry, whether itAs a
gay couple, a couple unequally yoked, or a couple with a history of abuse. 



--

Bill

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