ml> ping sucks for diagnostics... use traceroute but understand that,
 ml> like ping, not all systems will respond... traceroute will get you
 ml> responses from systems in the path whereas ping doesn't and so
 ml> doesn't give any idea where the breakage may be...

 RW> Tracert sucks as well. It hanged somewhere in Tennesee when I was
 RW> trying to figure out why I couldn't connect with 1:19/0.  He lives
 RW> in Mississippi or western Alabama. (1:18/x territory)

like i said, we can only use the data that is passed back from the
requests... i, too, did the traceroute game with roger a while back and
then things started working but only some systems give responses... then
you get some with circular loops going on which get reported to have their
routing fixed... then there's the ones with a lot of traffic which drop
some packets on life time expiry...

)\/(ark