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from: Rick_Mcbroom@f38.n123.z1.fidonet.org (Rick Mcbroom)
date: 1997-01-31 00:00:00
subject: Jimmie Rodgers/lap steel guitar (was Doc Watson)

 -=> Quoting MARK VANSICKLE to Martin Ridgley <=-

 MV> I don't know much about Rodgers (this isn't the "Kisses Sweeter
 MV> Than Wine" one, is it?)..

 Naw, he's known more for songs like "Frankie and Johnny", "Hobo Bill's Last
 Ride", "Miss the Mississippi and You", and his series of "Blue Yodels".

 I know the song you mentioned, though for the life of me I can't remember
 who did it.  :-(

 MV> ..but I'd heard that his music owed a bit to the Blues.

 Oh aye!

 MV> If he had a "steel guitar player" in the 20's, it'd probably mean
 M>> someone playing a National, yes?  There were metal 3- and 1-cone
 MV> ones from  '28-'30, but no Dobros yet..

 You know, I never thought about it, but you're absolutely right! In the
 late 20's, it was certainly not an /electric/ steel!

 My sources list the earliest National resonator as the model 35 Tri-Plate
 of 1927 (a 3-cone model with a distinctive T-shaped cover over the cones).

 They also say that the Dobro company was officially formed in 1929, though
 the Dopyera brothers got in on the ground floor at National.

 MV> ..and no Rickenbacker lap steels until the thirties, I think.

 It's a bit murky here. The Rickenbacker "Frying Pan" prototype electric lap
 steel was produced in 1931, and they say that production models were widely
 available by "the mid-30's". But they also say that acoustic lap steels were
 "in vogue in the USA during the 1920's and 1930's".  I dunno if they mean
 conventional and/or resonator guitars played lap-style,  or if they mean
 dedicated acoustic lap steels. The first picture that they show of such an
 instrument is from 1932, though.

 MV> .I'm sketchy about all of this except for the start of National
 MV> production.  If it weren't for Tom Wheeler's "American Guitars"
 MV> book, I wouldn't know *this* much..

 My son's got a similar book, _The Ultimate Guitar Book_, by Tony Bacon.
 That's my source for the above info...

 NP: the Cranberries _To the Faithful Departed_ "I Just Shot John Lennon"

... Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for.    

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