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from: Rich
date: 2007-06-18 21:59:36
subject: Re: Vista

From: "Rich" 

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   Again you are being unclear and your horrible analogies don't help.

   Thanks for acknowledging that the folder contents display immediately =
and that the thumbnail extraction is a background activity.  What I = still
don't get is that your assertion that it is a whole lot of = activity that
you don't need the system to spend resources on.  It is a = background
activity.  It's not clear why you are concerned about idle = time activity.

   As for a corrupted file hanging the window, that would be =
interesting.  Is this something you made up as speculation or something =
real because you never mentioned it before?  If it is real, what type of =
file is this as there are different thumbnail extractors for different =
types.  If you have third party software installed with video support it =
could be providing the extractor or even supplanting the system provided =
thumbnail extractors.

Rich

  "Geo."  wrote in message
news:46774646{at}w3.nls.net...
  Yes the folder contents display immediately but the background =
activity is=20
  the problem because if one of the files is corrupt or locked by =
another=20
  process it hangs the whole window. It's also a whole lot of activity =
that I=20
  don't need the system to spend resources on.

  It's like driving a car that wants to slow down and read every street =
sign=20
  and if one is blocked from view it stops and waits till it can see the =
sigh.=20
  I just want to get to where I want to go and damn the stupid system =
reading=20
  as I drive.

  If I set the folder default template to say list or details view, it =
still=20
  does this stupid reading every file thing. Is there no off switch?

  There is another thing with this that I've noticed, it doesn't take =
the=20
  first frame of a video and use that for the icon, instead it reads =
what=20
  appears to be a random number of frames and then grabs one. If I were =
to=20
  create a icon in each video file would that stop this nonsense?

  When I open a decent sized folder, you know the green progress bar =
that=20
  appears in the address bar, well it can take 4 or 5 minutes before it=20
  completes. That's a whole LOT of background activity I can do without.

  Geo.


  "Rich"  wrote in message news:46768fdc{at}w3.nls.net...
      If I wanted one default view for local folders and another for =
remote=20
  due to speed reasons I can't do that.

  Are you saying that the folder contents are not displaying immediately =
with=20
  thumbnail extraction happening in the background?

  Rich

    "Geo."  wrote in message =
news:46765e76{at}w3.nls.net...
    Thanks it does help but not a whole lot. Here's the annoyance I'm =
having.

    I have a couple of network file servers, I attach to them //ip/share =

  instead
    of mapping drives (because mapped drives has it's own problems when =
the
    servers are not available).

    Because of that any setting I set for folders on these servers =
doesn't
    stick. They immediately use the default template next time I attach =
but
    depending on what's in the folder at that particular moment =
determines=20
  which
    default template they are going to use.

    If I knew how the system was determining which default template to =
use I
    could at least understand this seemingly inconsistant behavior and=20
  possibly
    avoid it.

    If there was an off switch I could turn this crap off.

    If I wanted one default view for local folders and another for =
remote due=20
  to
    speed reasons I can't do that.

    See how this gets annoying real quick?

    I'm also leary of setting the default templates (I did set one) =
because I
    just know the first service pack is going to reset them all on me =
and undo
    my defaults (been there many times) so what I'm going to do is dig =
into=20
  the
    registry and see if I can find an off switch for this insidious =
little
    bastard .

    If I were a programmer I'd write a control panel applet 5 colums of
    checkboxes to set all of them on one screen, that's really what MS =
should
    have done.

    Geo.

    "Rich Gauszka"  wrote in message
    news:4675f8d1$1{at}w3.nls.net...
    > This may help
    >
    >=20
  =
http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3D1480933&SiteID=
=3D17
    > Be aware that the 'Apply to Folders' option only affects folders =
of the
    > same type or template, e.g. 'All Items', 'Documents', 'Pics & =
Video',=20
  etc.
    > So if you want to set list view as the default for all the major =
folder
    > types, you need to use 'Apply to Folders' five times, once from =
each=20
  type
    > of
    > folder.
    >
    >
    >
    > That being said, you can force the 'All Items' template on to
    > all folders with the following:
    >
    > Copy the text between the lines below into notepad & save as a =
.reg=20
  file.
    > Watch out for line wrap -- [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\...\Shell] is all =
one=20
  line,
    > there is a space between 'Local' and 'Settings'.
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------
    > Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    >
    > [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local
    > Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell]
    > "FolderType"=3D"NotSpecified"
    >
    > --------------------------------------------------
    >
    > Merging the .reg file will set the 'All Items' template for any =
folders
    > that
    > don't currently have a view saved with a different template.  You =
can
    > clear
    > all saved views by deleting the
    >
    > "HKCU\Software\Classes\Local
    > Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags"
    >
    > key BEFORE merging the .reg file.  If any folders open with a =
different
    > template after clearing the 'Bags' key & merging the .reg file, =
they=20
  most
    > likely have a template specified via their desktop.ini file.

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   Again you are being unclear and your horrible =
analogies don't=20
help.
 
   Thanks for acknowledging that the folder contents =
display=20
immediately and that the thumbnail extraction is a background =
activity. =20
What I still don't get is that your assertion that it is a whole lot of = activity=20
that you don't need the system to spend resources on.  It is a =
background=20
activity.  It's not clear why you are concerned about idle time=20
activity.
 
   As for a corrupted file hanging the window,
that would =
be=20
interesting.  Is this something you made up as speculation or = something=20
real because you never mentioned it before?  If it is real, what =
type of=20
file is this as there are different thumbnail extractors for different=20
types.  If you have third party software installed with video =
support it=20
could be providing the extractor or even supplanting the =
system provided=20
thumbnail extractors.
 
Rich
 

  "Geo." <mailto:georger{at}nls.net=20
 
href=3D"georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:46774646{at}w3.nls.net...Ye=
s the=20
  folder contents display immediately but the background activity is =
the=20
  problem because if one of the files is corrupt or locked by another=20
  process it hangs the whole window. It's also a whole lot of =
activity that=20
  I don't need the system to spend resources
on.It's like =
driving a=20
  car that wants to slow down and read every street sign and if one =
is=20
  blocked from view it stops and waits till it can see the sigh. I =
just want=20
  to get to where I want to go and damn the stupid system reading as =
I=20
  drive.If I set the folder default template to say list or =
details=20
  view, it still does this stupid reading every file thing. Is there =
no off=20
  switch?There is another thing with this that I've noticed, it =
doesn't=20
  take the first frame of a video and use that for the icon, instead =
it=20
  reads what appears to be a random number of frames and then grabs =
one. If=20
  I were to create a icon in each video file would that stop this=20
  nonsense?When I open a decent sized folder, you know
the green =

  progress bar that appears in the address bar, well it can take 4 =
or 5=20
  minutes before it completes. That's a whole LOT of background =
activity I=20
  can do
without.Geo."Rich"
<{at}> wrote in =
message news:46768fdc{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;  =20
  If I wanted one default view for local folders and another for remote =
due=20
  to speed reasons I can't do that.Are you saying that the =
folder=20
  contents are not displaying immediately with thumbnail extraction=20
  happening in the
background?Rich 
"Geo." <mailto:georger{at}nls.net=20
 
href=3D"georger{at}nls.net>">mailto:georger{at}nls.net">georger{at}nls.net>
wrote in =
message news:46765e76{at}w3.nls.net...&nbs=
p;=20
  Thanks it does help but not a whole lot. Here's the annoyance I'm=20
  having.  I have a couple of network file servers, I =
attach to=20
  them //ip/share instead  of mapping drives (because =
mapped drives=20
  has it's own problems when the  servers are not=20
  available).  Because of that any setting I set for =
folders on=20
  these servers doesn't  stick. They immediately use the =
default=20
  template next time I attach but  depending on what's in the =
folder at=20
  that particular moment determines which 
default template =
they=20
  are going to use.  If I knew how the system was =
determining which=20
  default template to use I  could at least understand this =
seemingly=20
  inconsistant behavior and possibly  avoid =
it.  If=20
  there was an off switch I could turn this crap
off.  If I =
wanted=20
  one default view for local folders and another for remote due =
to =20
  speed reasons I can't do that.  See how this gets =
annoying real=20
  quick?  I'm also leary of setting the
default templates =
(I did=20
  set one) because I  just know the first service pack is going =
to=20
  reset them all on me and undo  my defaults (been there many =
times) so=20
  what I'm going to do is dig into the 
registry and see if =
I can=20
  find an off switch for this insidious little  bastard=20
  <g>.  If I were a programmer
I'd write a control =
panel=20
  applet 5 colums of  checkboxes to set all of them on one =
screen,=20
  that's really what MS should  have
done. =20
  Geo.  "Rich Gauszka" <mailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com=20
  =
href=3D"gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.commailto:gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com">gauszka{at}dontspamhotmail.com
A>>=20
  wrote in message  news:4675f8d1$1{at}w3.nls.net...=
 =20
  > This may help  > 
> http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3D148093=
3&SiteID=3D17=20
  =
href=3D"http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=3D148093=
3&SiteID=3D17">http://forums.microsoft.com/TechNet/ShowPost.aspx?Post=
ID=3D1480933&SiteID=3D17 =20
  > Be aware that the 'Apply to Folders' option only affects folders =
of=20
  the  > same type or template, e.g. 'All Items', =
'Documents', 'Pics=20
  & Video', etc.  > So if you
want to set list view =
as the=20
  default for all the major folder  > types, you
need to use =
'Apply=20
  to Folders' five times, once from each type 
> =
of =20
  > folder.  > 
>  >  =
> That=20
  being said, you can force the 'All Items' template on to  =
> all=20
  folders with the following: 
>  > Copy the =
text=20
  between the lines below into notepad & save as a .reg =
file. =20
  > Watch out for line wrap -- [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\...\Shell] is all =
one=20
  line,  > there is a space between
'Local' and=20
  'Settings'.  >  >=20
  --------------------------------------------------  > =
Windows=20
  Registry Editor Version 5.00 
>  >=20
  [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Classes\Local  >=20
  =
Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags\AllFolders\Shell] =
;=20
  >
"FolderType"=3D"NotSpecified" 
>  >=20
  --------------------------------------------------  =
> =20
  > Merging the .reg file will set the 'All Items' template for any=20
  folders  > that  >
don't currently have a view =
saved=20
  with a different template.  You can  > =
clear  >=20
  all saved views by deleting the 
>  >=20
  "HKCU\Software\Classes\Local  >=20
  Settings\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell\Bags"  =
>  >=20
  key BEFORE merging the .reg file.  If any folders open with a=20
  different  > template after clearing the 'Bags'
key & =
merging=20
  the .reg file, they most  > likely
have a template =
specified=20
  via their desktop.ini file.

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