whee, got the old fart going here must be worth 20 points of blood pressure
at least (:

 BL> I think Paul's system is the forerunner of a new way to use the
 BL> Internet. In using UUCP technology, we can expand his net
 BL> internationally at no cost... because the technology exists.
 BL> The next step is to write software that makes it easy, and the
 BL> step after that is to improve the UUCP system... software
 BL> driven.

 KR> i am afraid bob that you dont know much about the internet.

 BL>   Read what I wrote. It is correct.

nope, you wont expand the net by using uucp unless you are prepared to
spend big money on phone bills. uucp does not a thing more than a binkley
connect. you dial a number and transfer data to that number, if it is in
sydney, it costs you 25c, if it is international then it costs you $$$

 BL>   It does not take a mental giant to understand telephones, but it
 BL> does take a total fuckwit to spend $500 a year fucking around in
 BL> Windows on the net downloading crap no one ever uses and chasing WWW
 BL> painting the screen at two miles an hour! ROFL!

what has that got to do with using the internet itself to transfer mail?.

 KR> uucp has nothing to do with it. uucp is a part of unix, it is
 KR> the smallest easiest way of transfering data between unix
 KR> systems.

 BL>   Duuuhrr...

hey its roddi boy

 KR> it represents a way of getting very basic internet services. 

 BL>   Duuuhhhhrrr...

its that roddi macro again

 KR> and then onto an 8k digital leased line to cork in ireland.

 BL>   You told me once before and you would not believe how impressed I am
 BL> and stunned senseless in total and admiring amazement by these
 BL> buzzwords and the idea of sending stuff to Ireland first. I'm lying...
 BL> I actually don't give a shit. The internet is just a super-telephone
 BL> line, something like two tins and a piece of string. It's all I need
 BL> to know.

sorry bobbi, but if you dont understand the difference between a telephone
network, and a packet switching network, its time to go up to the library
and get some books on the subject.

 KR> after all, the internet is the inter-network, the network of
 KR> networks, and ip is the glue that holds them together. i am
 KR> attempting to learn it because our company is releasing
 KR> products into that area, it is big and complex and uucp is just
 KR> one tiny peripheral corner of it.

 BL>   Durr...

unfortunately, you dont seem to grasp the point, you can send a message
anywhere for the same cost using the internet itself, use uucp, and
distance will still cost you money, it the difference between a packet
network and a telephone network.

 KR> when you think about it uucp doesnt really give you anything
 KR> that you didnt have under fido

 BL>   I have thought about it. Why don't you?

no you only think that you have thought about it

 BL>   What UUCP gives us, is a simple *existing* technology independent of
 BL> Fido, and the ability to move mail cheaply on the end of an ISP
 BL> account, anywhere on Earth (or Splong in your case). Paul can set up
 BL> in Sydney and establish a newsgroup that can be picked up in Adelaide
 BL> for Rod Gasson and Gaelyne who are cut off from us at present... no
 BL> Fido wankers, no rules, anything we like, hidden in gigbytes of
 BL> traffic that defeat even the NSA.

so who is going to be the interface to the net, cos if you dont have that
element, then, you may as well use fido technology, the cost will be the
same. oddly enough, the uniwankers have been doing just what you suggest
for the last 20 years, and that was about the time that they started giving
up uucp.

 KR> if you want to get the big prize of communication independent
 KR> of distance then you have to come to terms with the basic
 KR> transport mechanism of the net. you can use it to send just
 KR> about anything you want, but you have to use their basics, they
 KR> aint going to change for you. 

 BL>   I trust them to know what they are doing. As I said in another
 BL> message, they can encapsulate our messages any way they like. The bit
 BL> that Paul is missing, is to tack our UUCP messages onto the more
 BL> common SLIP/PPP accounts so we can send them around independently...
 BL> but I have no doubt he will get around to it. Who cares what format
 BL> the net itself uses, or where the fuck it goes, Ireland or
 BL> Afghanistan? Unless you intend to write that sort of thing. There is
 BL> ceetainly no need to understand it to write mail replies to you.

why not use ppp to communicate with paul? it is a peer to peer connection
system that can encapsulate whatever protocol that you  wish. 

you seem to be building a cargo cult around paul, but then, i suppose that
when you get old, and cant grasp the new concepts like you used to, its
nice to have a lo tech bridge to the world and let someone else work it all
out for you (:

keith
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