* In a message originally to Allen Prunty, mark lewis said:

 ML> you have to think old school... fidonet has been doing this gating thing
 ML> since the '80s... FRED was one of those i used way back but then GIGO
 ML> came out and i switched to it because there was a native OS/2 version...

I've ran both GIGO and FRED.  I could still use GIGO but I need something that¨
 captures the SMTP inbound and puts it into a file that GIGO can read.  Thaat's¨
 the tricky part is getting something to listen on the SMTP port.

 ML> good grief... it is only a piddly little mailing list that you're
 ML> after... not top secret nuclear facility access and launch codes... set
 ML> up a gmail, yahoo or hotmail account as AP_elebbs{at}whatever and get your
 ML> mailing list support as needed... set up one address for each list or

No not top secret stuff... but I can see why the new mail servers like¨
 Exchange are doing what they do.  Now they are checking all received e-mails¨
 against an embedded SPF "Seed" in the message to verify if you
actually sent¨
 it.

What happens with older mailing list servers is that they send the message as¨
 if the user actually sent it which doesn't cut the validation.  On the flip¨
 side if I found something that listened to the SMTP I probably wouldn't find¨
 an outbound program that will pass the proper validation going outbound and a¨
 lot of my sent mail will not be delivered either.

Older versions of mailman do not send messages "on behalf" they
send as the¨
 user.  Believe me when I worked for Charter/Level-3 we actually had this blow¨
 up about 4 years ago when they decided to implement this type of anti-spam.¨
 Now almost every modern mailserver has this kind of checking.

It's a good thing because people would spam the lists very easily by spoofing¨
 a participant's mail address... now it isn't that easy.

Allen


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