Hello Stephen,

>> That is the problem as I see it. How does the state know what someone
>> might do or what psychological inclination someone might have toward
>> killing one or more people? If someone is determined to kill one or more
>> people they are not likely to care about what gun laws that might exist.
>> They will be able to acquire a gun regardless of any existing gun laws.
>> And if a gun isn't available they are likely to do their killing in
>> other ways using some other device.

> That is very true.  But also here in Canada because of the current laws it's
> pretty hard for Joe average to get an illegal gun.  Usually illegal guns come
> from organized crime and are smuggled in to the country or less common but
> still happens is they are stolen from legal gun owners.  

Usually if there is a demand for a product there will be those that will
work to satisfy that demand. In this case provide guns.

> Problem is when the
> government introduces more laws restricting legal gun owners but does nothing
> to curb illegal guns.  We also see that if they can't get guns then they can
> just rent a van and go on a killing spree any way.  Why wasn't there a
> detailed background check done on this guy before he was allowed to rent a
> van?  I'm speaking of Toronto.

True. If guns become harder to acquire then those inclined to kill will
simply look at alternatives to accomplish their desired task. That is why I
have had the attitude that if the mindset of people can be changed/improved
then the availability of guns isn't or at least a far lesser of a factor.

I know, that is a much harder solution to accomplish. And I would suspect
that to some that scream "More Gun Laws" is because they don't
want to face or accept the actual cause of the problem. People decide to
kill others. A gun, knife, car, truck, bomb doesn't decide to kill anyone.


Jeff 


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