RP>  DK> i've got a cd that whispers "rewind rewind" at the start and they
RP>  DK> somehow wrote the starting position on the cd after the actual start
RP>  DK> of the cd. so they just put the hidden songs on at the start, not the
RP>  DK> end. hope this helps (somehow) :)
RP>
RP> If you get the CD player to display the total disc time (not elapsed or
RP> remaining), does it include the time of the hidden track?
RP>
RP> Does anyone have the name of some titles that do this?

i dunno about that time thing, but it doesn't count it as a seeking track.
btw, the cd is by a really cool christian band called johnny q public.
cya