On 27 Mar 2021 09:14:24 GMT, TimS  wrote:

>On 27 Mar 2021 at 05:17:24 GMT, 6+Cola  wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 27 Mar 2021 03:51:52 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/03/2021 02:40, 6+Cola wrote:
>>>>  On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 07:56:39 +0100, Deloptes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  6+Cola wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  If Biden gets even half his taxation wishes, the entire USA won't
>>>>>>  even be able to afford a Pi.
>>>>>
>>>>>  haha - USA will become Europe - man here they do not have the ability to
>>>>>  manufacture independently anything - the f**king vaccine, not even
masks.
>>>>>  They have the machines, but not the materials, which they had to import,
>>>>>  but couldn't.
>>>>>  Europe is already a pathetic case - but hey there were 2 world wars
carried
>>>>>  out here - and the third one, that is going on is an invisible one.
>>>>>  I wonder how USA will develop - at least you have right to own guns
there.
>>>>
>>>>     For now .... but the Citizen Disempowerment crusade
>>>>     never ends.
>>>>
>>>>     But yes, with massive taxes - mostly going to "feel good/
>>>>     look good" projects - and enhanced central "management"
>>>>     of the economy from the top down, the USA  could easily
>>>>     take on the look and feel of the EU.
>>>>
>>>>     Maybe the Brits were the smart ones ....
>>>
>>> I am a Brit, and I voted to leave the EU.
>>> Why? Because I studied engineering, and system theory.
>>> Large systems with centralised control, signal lag and no local feedback
>>> are very slow to respond to events.
>>
>>
>>   Ah, someone after my own heart :-)
>
>Excellent analysis by TNP as usual.
>
>>   The USA system is also extremely robust, in that ideal model
>>   anyway. It is very "fractal", self-similar control structures
>>   from top to bottom, federal to the local garden club.
>
>Except that too-small control structures lead to local tyrannies. In the UK we
>have about 50 police departments, for 65 million people. The US has more than
>15000. And the US elects judges and chiefs of police, so sometimes people
>don't get justice, they get law and plenty of it. It's noticeable that road
>signage in the UK is designed to get people safely from A to B, whereas in the
>US it's designed to raise revenue. And then there are quotas - conspiracies
>betwen a city Mayor and the Chief of Police to fill the City's coffers; this
>is just a form of legalised banditry.

  There is some truth in that. Perhaps THE most hated lowest-level
  control structure are so-called "neighborhood associations". These
  are tiny-headed people who are suddenly infused with a big
  meth injection of micromanging local power over others. If your
  flowers are an inch too high they will attack. They really hit
  people quite literally where they live - and a surprising amount of
  new housing falls under the control of said petty tyrants. There
  is something, perhaps intentionally, USSR/Stasi about that ....

  As for the number of police organizations, remember tht the USA
  is physically LARGE - plus the police mentality needed for large
  urban areas is inappropriate for farm/ranch/mining areas that
  are wide-open spaces.

  Now in our larger cities, you ARE likely to see several layers
  of political and police authority - NYC is a fair example. Still,
  again, it has something to do with size and population and,
  in NYCs case, ethnic and historical factors. Brooklyn does
  NOT get to tell Queens how to do things. However London
  is similarly partitioned ......

  As for "banditry" ... are you referring to "speed trap towns"
  or something ? For the most part, transit in the USA is
  dead practical - has to be because of the vast distances.
  I think there are single counties in Texas and Wyoming
  and certainly Alaska that could swallow up Scotland.

  For fun, GoogleEarth a town called "Waldo" in Florida.
  "Drive" the main road coming into town, especially from
  the south. There are huge signs announcing the towns
  zero-tolerance policies towards roadway speeders ...
  which they felt they HAD to put up because it WAS a
  nefarious, highly publicized, speed trap. Their POLICIES
  did not change however until the state legislature passed
  a bill forbidding police officers to have traffic-ticket quotas -
  unofficially known as the "Waldo Bill"  :-)

  I think a few towns in Louisiana have since usurped Waldo.
  Something like 60+ percent of revenue coming from fines
  and shakedowns.

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