On 28/03/2021 04:23, William Unruh wrote:
> On 2021-03-27, TimS  wrote:
>> On 27 Mar 2021 at 21:28:52 GMT, William Unruh  wrote:
>>
>>> On 2021-03-27, TimS  wrote:
>>>>   On 27 Mar 2021 at 17:29:53 GMT, Charlie Gibbs 
>>>>   wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>   On 2021-03-27, The Natural Philosopher  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>    Its rather a study of mine, actually. My tentative observation  is
that
>>>>>>    those who advocate the purest form of Marxism are in fact simply
showing
>>>>>>    a romantic fondness for the lifestyle of the hunter gatherer. Before
>>>>>>    farming, before herding even, a population of at best a few million
>>>>>>    lived 'in harmony with nature' lacking even the idea of 'private
>>>>>>    property' let alone the hierarchies and the discipline that are
>>>>>>    necessary for large numbers of people to act in unison.
>>>>>
>>>>>   This makes it particularly ironic that many societies that
>>>>>   are appalled by Karl Marx's philosophy are adopting one of
>>>>>   his fundamental tenets: the elimination of private property.
>>>>>   Housing prices are climbing so fast that soon none but the
>>>>>   very richest will be able to afford their own home;
>>>>
>>>>   In teh UK it's driven by population pressure, which has increased from
50 to
>>>>   65 million in the last 50 years.
>>>
>>> Almost certainly because of highly restrictive housing construction
>>> laws. Building 100000 additional houses a year should not be difficult,
>>> unless there is nowhere to build them.
>>
>> Which is largely the case.
>>
>
> But there is lots of land available, and lots of already built land that
> could have 2 3 4 ... story housing on it. The UK is not out of land. UK
> has half the population density of Holland  England about the same as
> Holland and 1/25 of Hong Kong
> (although I would not push it that far).
> I you want housing in London, yes, it is expensive. If you want it
> inNewcastle, not so much so. Although even in London they are a lot less
> than in Vancouver Can.
>
>
It is a complicated situation.

I live in a 5-6 bedroom house in half a hectare that is valued at less
than a small two bedroom London apartment.

Why?
Because high paid jobs exist in London, but not here.

There is no housing shortage in reality, only a shortage of what
everybody wants, but by that very fact ensures cannot exist - affordable
houses close to plenty of highly paid work.

In tḥe USA house prices doubled when wives went out to work. Because
people could afford to pay double for their houses!

As soon as you build 'cheap houses' close to work, people move in and
they get in short supply, leaving behind derelict terraces in old
industrial towns where no one lives anymore.

Plenty of cheap houses if you are prepared to live where there is no
work to be had and its not especially beautiful

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