On 27/03/2021 05:37, 6+Cola wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Mar 2021 14:00:41 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
>  wrote:
>
>> On 26/03/2021 10:17, TimS wrote:
>>> On 26 Mar 2021 at 09:51:07 GMT, The Natural Philosopher

>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 26/03/2021 04:51, 6+Cola wrote:
>>>>>      However the USA was founded on the idea of NOT "oppressing"
>>>>>       your neighbors. The "Just Leave Me The Fuck Alone" principle is,
>>>>>       or was, very important.
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed. a war was fought by the right to be oppressed by Amercans rather
>>>> than forein kings..
>>>>
>>>>>       BTW ... what does this have to do with Raspberry Pi's ???????
>>>>>
>>>> Ah...
>>>>
>>>>>       If Biden gets even half his taxation wishes, the entire USA won't
>>>>>       even be able to afford a Pi.
>>>>
>>>> Biden was only there as the most accepatable puppet to face up the
election.
>>>>
>>>> Biden will do exactly what he is told, and when he isn't capable of that
>>>> Ms Harris will step up to the plate and sell the corporate designed
>>>> emotional narrative of bleeding heart Liberalism to Joe Public to
>>>> justify even further the transfer of money from the middle classes to
>>>> the oligarchy.
>>>>
>>>> Trump may have been the total arsehole everyone claimed, but he wasn't
>>>> *entirely* bought and paid for.
>>>
>>> Trouble is he is dim. But you're right about Harris. AISB, The US political
>>> parties are fucked and have forgotten how to offer plausible candidates.
>>> Willie Clinton was prolly the last dem one, and Bush the Elder on the other
>>> side.
>>>
>> Yup. Its the 'iron law of oligarchy' in play. Unless you have a Trumpian
>> style populism underneath, *all* the viable political choices are bought
>> *years* before they even get to be candidates.
>>
>> In the UK, George Galloway described the two main parties as 'two cheeks
>> of the same arse'
>>
>> Or as someone else said - 'It doesn't matter who you vote for, the
>> government always gets in'.
>
>    Heh, heh ...... yes, tear off the little name-tags that say
>    Tory or Labour or Sensible Party, Dem or Republican,
>    and it just says "professional politician" underneath  :-)
>    Same breed for the past 12,000 years or more.
>

There is a terrific book (Slide Rule)  written by Neville Shute - in
addition to being a writer, he was also a professional aeronautical
engineer, and founded his own aircraft company.

At one point he comments on the decision making of government, and how
his own company, and in fact the aircraft industry as a whole depended
not on government largesse, but on the solid support of private
individuals who were very rich. They would say 'yes' or 'no' rapidly.
Government always prevaricated  He cites the occasion of one time this
did not happen. The individual in question was a professional politician
  but had independent means as well. The loss of his job was not a major
concern, so he was free to vote his conscience.


Ther is nothing that is more anathema to a large bureaucracy than people
of independent means who cannot be controlled. Huge swathes of
propaganda are devoted to telling us what an obscenity private wealth
is, by all the professional poloticians...

>    I suspect some Great Civilizatons during the ice age
>    too ... done in by 'climate change' ... so 12,000 years
>    may be a very conservative estimate. People have
>    been people for nearly 300,000 years and who's to
>    say how the Neanderthals ran things.

Its rather a study of mine, actually. My tentative observation  is that
those who advocate the purest form of Marxism are in fact simply showing
a romantic fondness for the lifestyle of the hunter gatherer. Before
farming, before herding even, a population of at best a few million
lived 'in harmony with nature' lacking even the idea of 'private
property' let alone the hierarchies and the discipline that are
necessary for large numbers of people to act in unison.

Marxism wants to smash society in order that the ideal one will grow
naturally out of the remains. Well, what we have now is what grew
naturally out of a time of no civilisation.

I recommend Jared Diamonds short essay 'mankind's greatest mistake'
where he argues that nearly all of the perceived ills that beset
humanity - disease, inequality, slavery, war, property and crime, are
the price we pay for a society based on agriculture, firstly, and then
later, industrialisation. But the point is that irrespective of the
emotional attachment to  a life of an itinerant  gypsy , we have
achieved a massive population level.

Slavery works. Private property works. Inequality works. Hierarchy
works. I am not saying it is morally justified. Merely that, like
science,  it works.

The Left puts its fingers in its ears at this point.

>


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